Spruce top guitars also have a tone palette that is sensitive and highly nuanced. Aging toner is colored dye added to the lacquer, and often the color chosen is pretty far off the mark, if you ask me. I'm in the mid 20's on guitar builds now and all but 3 have been Sitka tops. Board index » Luthiers Forum Rooms » Guitar Building Forum, Users browsing this forum: ihor and 13 guests. For some musicians, the sound it produces is a clearer, balanced, and more sustained. Different tops age at different rates. On the right is my other 210, purchased new in April. Then of course you could always stain or dye your tops prior to finishing. Notice how dark the top appears, this is not from any toner, but from the aging process they utilize. Lots of guitars with laminated tops sound quite good. My question is 'can you tell from looking at a "fresh" top how much it may darken with age?'. Could it be some tops have been exposed to more sunlight than others since leaving your shop? £7.87. I really can't see much difference in the color on the freshly thicknessed tops when I'm starting a new build - they have all seemed very similar in color - but some have darkened much more than others over time. Bear in mind of course no two pieces of wood are the same and there will always be differences and variations....that's the natural beauty of wood. Indian Rosewood back & sides with aged Spruce top. I have used the same finish on all guitars - McFadden's nitro lacquer. If you are looking to consistently replicate that mellow old finish look you will need to do a bit more than just lacquer. It all depends on conditions/finish. How does a cedar top compare with spruce after an instrument has been played for a few years? 189, AAA Grade. It was beautiful. A player with a good touch will get an incredible variety of tones and timbres from a spruce top guitar. Find out why this is so important: Pro Guitar Setup. 26th May 2017. I'm in the mid 20's on guitar builds now and all but 3 have been Sitka tops. The guitar not only looks like it has an old top… Skip to main content Skip to footer site5127474188160893252 New 514325 Manuel Rodriguez E Spruce Top Classical Guitar false That's not necessarily a bad thing, of course. Top, back and sides, fretboard were from you guys. It's for his son who graduates Dec. 20th. The coupling of a spruce top with rosewood or mahogany back and sides is a tough ... aging, to cut down moisture content; and seasoning, to stabilize the wood. I've noticed that there is a lot of variation in how much the color of the tops darken with age. For those who want the best possible projection, tone, and balance should consider owning a spruce guitar. European Spruce AAA $110.00. However, after sustaining serious top damage, I sent it back to Nazareth for repair and requested aging toner on new top. Not Sitka, but I'm french polishing my latest, and I'll take it outside in the sun, sorta to "harden" the build. I'm sending a pic of the guitar I just finished for a guy in Mass. The first thing i’m going to say is that both sound good if the quality of the wood is good assuming that we are talking about a nicely hand made guitar. Quite so. I know I can't control what they do with it after it leaves my shop, but I have two of my early guitars that have stayed in the same room - literally next to each other on stands - for 3 years and one is quite a bit darker than the other. Spruce top guitars have a wonderful blooming tone, with bell-like trebles and basses that are low and full but tend more toward the mid range. As you know acoustic guitars get better with age and open up more as the wood is played in and with cedar this happens faster giving a richness of tone sooner. We take into account grain runout, quartering accuracy, grain count gradation, and avoidance of knots, grain bends, color streaks, pitch pockets, and other problems. JOINING RED SPRUCE TOPS: We draw a guitar pattern on each high-grade top based on a careful examination of all four surfaces of each set. Questions? The best ones sound pretty darned good on day one. All guitars at Wild West are professionally set up and prepared for you. The darkest shellacs do a great job but it is a bit difficult to keep it even. But guitars made with Adirondack tops do indeed sound more opened up, with played notes encountering less resistance from the soundboard, so the tone swells effortlessly in all directions, rather than skipping along the surface of the voice like a stone across a lake – my typical metaphor when describing the sound from a brand new Adirondack spruce top. is that why there is so many taylor guitars that I've seen kind of yellow on the spruce area or strika? The popular wisdom on spruce vs. cedar is that a cedar top sounds great from the moment a new guitar is strung up, whilst a spruce top takes a while to ‘loosen up’ and continues to mellow for many years. There are only a couple of marks on the guitar other than pure aging. To me, European Spruce produces the most sophisticated tonal range of all the top woods.” via Traphagen Guitars Engelmann Spruce: A white creamy coloured wood that is softer than sitka. Speaking of how spruce tops and their tones...here's a pic of my two 210's. Nice sound higher end Fender Acoustic 70's Fender F-75 MIJ wth Rosewood Back and Sides and Spruce Solid Top with incredible grain. For comparison pick up a Martin with a spruce top – these are renowned for taking years to mellow out – and any cedar guitar … Martin Custom Shop 000-14F Adirondack Spruce Top with Cocobolo Aging … Many guitarmakers today believe that this wood is a significant contributing factor to the strong, clear tone of those vintage/collectible instruments. This website uses cookies to allow us to offer you the best possible user experience. I've noticed that there is a lot of variation in how much the color of the tops darken with age. Concert classical Double top model 650mm scale length with 52mm nut width European spruce/Canadian cedar All wood lattice bracing Indian rosewood back & sides Brace-less arched back African mahogany neck Raised ebony fingerboard Adjustable Truss Rod Arm rest & sound port 12 hole tie block bridge Der Jung tuning machines (Models differ according to availability) All Solely owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink, Color Changes and Aging on Sitka Spruce Tops, Re: Color Changes and Aging on Sitka Spruce Tops, http://davidnewtonguitars.squarespace.com/. Presenting, Spruce top vs. Cedar top Sound Produced by Spruce. Rated 5.00 out of 5. They also can crack or warp if regularly exposed to low or high relative humidity. just make sure it is de-waxed so the lacquer will bond. Spruce has a very direct sound that it can be compared to a golden bell-like sound. This time, after making eleven spruce-top guitars for GSI, Bertrand is going make for us a cedar-top instrument! Now, as the guitar top gets UV exposure over the years, the clear lacquer will darken, as will the light spruce underneath. French luthier, Bertrand Ligier, has shared with us some behind the scenes photos of his new GSI guitar. Martin Custom Shop 000-14F Adirondack Spruce Top with Cocobolo Aging Toner LR Baggs Electric-Acoustic. Many new guitars sound a bit indistinct and harsh. ... Martin Custom Shop D-14F Adirondack Spruce Top Cocobolo Back Side Aging Toner. Keep in mind these guitars are identical, except for sun exposure... General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion. I have found that redwood, somewhat heavier and stiffer along the grain than cedar, is the better match for my building style, often exhibiting headroom approaching that of spruce. Generally a bit more mellow sounding than euro or sitka possibly due to being slightly less stiff. A guitar that has a thin finish that's spent most of its life outdoors at festivals is going to be much more dark/yellow than a similar guitar that's been in its case most of the time. How much does the spruce top age and color? Stonebridge OM (34SROM): This is the top of the line from StoneBridge. I was visiting recently with a fellow who worked for a major guitar manufacturer for many years. His opinion is that cedar sounds very good when a guitar is newer, but the sound deteriorates as the guitar ages. The darker one is a 2005 I bought used; apparently in the year the previous owner had it, he (or she) played it outdoors a lot. 3908, AAA Grade. I also know that if a customer wants it to stay light in color, there are other species of Spruce that I can choose. You could start with a coat or two of one of the darker shellacs, like garnet, as a sealer. Personally, I like the lighter top, but I know a lot of guys who would love their spruce tops to have the 'ginger ale' tone of my 2005. Guitar western Spruce Top No. Perhaps a refinish with toner is the answer. I'm more interested in being able to avoid a situation where a top darkens more than a customer wants and he/she ends up disliking the overall look of the guitar. Why I don’t make sitka spruce guitars. Spruce top guitars vary in the quality of tone they produce. Context for the Englemann, Sitka Choice Whilst it is true that Englemann and Sitka have different sounds qualities, and one may be more suited than the other for a particular purpose, it’s also true that the points below will hold true to varying degrees. Construction methods of his guitars beginning what it 's going to sound like at a `` fresh top. The HD-28V has never had a red spruce top age and color Rooms » guitar Building & Supplies... 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